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boat pic and other 7-20-2009 030.JPGboat pic and other 7-20-2009 030.JPGboat pic and other 7-20-2009 033.JPGboat pic and other 7-20-2009 031.JPGBoat Pics 019.JPGBoat Pics 001.JPGBoat Pics 006.JPGBoat Pics 015.JPGBoat Pics 014.JPGBoat Pics 013.JPGHi this boat is still ava,  if anybody is looking  406-885-5555



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Thanks Cap'n, and another thing about my boat I like is how it pulls on the trailer, there's just no wind resistance it seems,  that sucker cuts the breeze like an arrow.



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Well I can see why you decided to modify your Scimitar. That power seat sure was a neat feature but for it not to swivel is just wrong. The corrosion would certainly be a problem for the electrics and electronics. 
The changes you made make real good sense and take nothing away from the boat, adds tons in practicality. 
I don't blame you for not wanting to sell, it's a fantastic boat. I don't know how George was able to list his on Ebay, I would be terrified of terminal sellers remorse. 
To me, the Scimitar was the finest boat design ever penned. Sure, I hear that they are hard to get in and out of unless you have a dock, I say what boat isn't. I see a Scimitar and my mind races back 25 years ago when I saw one on Cocagne Bay, pause and and feel my heart rate climb.

Thanks for the information
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Hi Paul,  there have been several Scimitars listed in the last few years that the seller has stated that they are bone stock with all the original equipment,  and some Really nice looking boats, I appreciate originality for sure.  The Scimitar's all came with a 260hp 350 Chevy Mercruiser and the MR series drive with a 1.47 gear ratio. 

The Scimitar boats were all finished out at the plant in Anaheim Calif, they were not sent to a dealer for customer preferred power and assy's, but some of them did have some things added at the dealers as I understand it, and some of them were custom ordered with an inclosed cooling system and only a few of them came with a cab heater, the heater core was mounted in the boxed structure up under the bow where the windshield wiper motor is mounted. Back then, it was pretty common for boat builders to incorperate some automotive design's and assy's, the power seat was the passenger side seat that was designed for the late seventy's GM Eldorado / Toranado, as was the ash tray's, radio, clock and cigerette lighters,  these assy's did not stand up to the humidity that come's with the boating game very well,  the power seat motors, mechenism, and switches were not coated or sealed, and the cassette tape players suffered the humidity as well.  The ash trays in my boat is rusted through, and the lighters are rusted beyond use, and the digital clock don't work either.  I do have the warranty cards and owners manual for the radio and clock for my boat,  and even the depth finder that was installed when it was new, thats kinda neat, but I plan on replacing those things in the future.  I still have the power seat assy with all the motors and switches out of my boat and I'll make someone a good deal that wants it for theirs,  but I like the freedom to be able to turn around in my seat, with the power seat you are restricted to forward position only.

Over the years I have been told by people that I figured knew the Scimitar's well, that some came with air conditioning, when I asked Art Carlson about that, he said that they did not install airconditioning in them, but he too had heard that some had added the option,  but not confirmed.   The windshield is not a GM automotive windshield,  they are 77 inches wide and were made for these boats only,  in fact, after ordering the windshields the third time for the boat, and not an exact fit, they made the boat fit the windshields and continued production.

Here's the way I look at it ... I Love My Scimitar, it was an original boat when I got it, except for the motor, it had a new factory long block in it.  I do appreciate originality, but for me,  it was quicker for me to get my boat in the water by removing the power seat, it would only move forward and backward anyway, I didn't like the shag looking carpet .. yuck !  and the gel coat was too dull to polish out,  and the sun deck (motor cover)  that was split in the middle and hinged on the sides didn't suit me either, so I made it one solid piece and used carpet instead of the padded button design,  I believe it's safer for people to step onto the boat, and more convenient to remove to view and work in the bilge area.  I also wanted the boat to go faster, make more noise, and have an eye appeal for the street rodder, like me ...

A bone stock, original Scimitar would certainly have more monitary value than my boat, but I don't ever intend to sell my boat, so keeping it original for that purpose is don't interest me, and I use it most pretty days,  a Lot, and for me,  it's more enjoyable to go to the lake with-out worring about someone stepping in the seat, spilling a drink, or making a scratch on it.  The boat gets it's share of attention just for it's style, and it's pretty to most,  I like to go fast sometimes, and make some noise, show off some, and I modified the boat a little to do that.

These boats would indicate near or better than 60mph when they were new, according to the speedometers, but actually the true speed was a bit lower than that,  it seems that most of the older speedo's were a couple or a few miles faster than the true speed, mine indicates 1 and a half miles faster than the GPS at full speed. 

To keep from blowing up the forum with the longest post ever,  I'll wait untill another post to elaberate on the hull design and structure of these boats.

Take Care



-- Edited by OleRed on Saturday 2nd of May 2009 09:06:47 AM

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Hi Red...   Thanks for the information, I'm new at this game but I'm a good student. I understand what you mean about the upper gear box. Too much power at too high an RPM will grenade any gear box or transmission. 
    I will eventually own a Scimitar, come hell or high water! (pun intended)  I would like to have a bone stock example, that's what I'm into. My vintage sleds and vintage bikes are all stock. What are the chances of finding original equipment engines and drives? Are they still around? What drive came with the original Scimitar?
    Having said all that, I have been following your progress on your little puddle skipper there. WOW !!!!  What a hot rod!  I can't wait to see that thing on the water. If one were to modify a Scimitar, a person would do well to study your work. Well done. 

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Hi  Paul,  I like that boat, thanks for the bigger pictures.   So Sorry to hear about your job,  that seems to be happening all across the country.  Sucks !

I'm about finished with mine, Here's a Link to the page to date ...   http://www.olered.com/RedsScimitar.html

I have a couple more jobs to do that I'm obligated to do then I'll be in the market for another Scimitar project,  I'd like to get myself in the position just to work on them.  The boat up in Montana is a great project, but ot's a little out of my reach, with this economy as it is it may available a while,  I think $5000 is a fair deal fot that one but that should include the trailer and all original motor parts,  those 202 heads he has are not practical for one of these boats unless they are incorperated with a drive that will stand up to high rpm's, maybe a Bravo drive.  The big valves and runners are a good stuff on a hot motor that will turn 6000 or more, but they don't really come alive until the rpm range of the early model Mercruiser drives are already exceeded, and thats about 5000, and thats only for short periods,  the upper gear case won't handle 5000 long with 300 + horsepower.

I changed out the drive in my boat for that reason, I'm running a late model Alpha One Gen II and I don't run it full throttle for more than a minute at a time.

The Montana boat come's with a pretty new Alpha drive, and it will handle up to 300+hp but it's the rpm's pulling a performance prop (load) that kills those drives,  they will last a while, but it hard on them.



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Let's try for larger shots here, hope it works (?)

Oh yeah, I hope I mentioned this Scimitar has no motor. He failed to notice an oil leak and spun a main bearing. The block is fine, he has that. He also has a set of 202 heads for it, they can be had for $1400.

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Hello again...    The gentleman from Montana sent me the photos of his boat and as promised, here they are. The light was quite poor in the barn so the photos are a bit fuzzy but good enough. I was quite interested in it but ( sob story warning...) corporate cutbacks, well government cutbacks, so looking for work takes precedence over toys, no matter how good a deal. Anyway, he's looking for about five thousand for it, what do you think.

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Certainly, as soon as I get the photos, I'll send them your way.  And yes, i've been following the work you've been doing on your boat and paying very close attention. The stringers I understand but kicking out the transom, I'm a bit fuzzy. You're trying to gain engine cover  clearance for the spark arrester (?) but are you swapping the engine? Did it not fit before? Is there a benefit to 4 degrees of rake on the transom other than clearance for the spark arrester (whatever that is)?

Oh look, never mind...  I just read your DAY TWELVE post and you answered my question quite nicely. That's quite the hot rod you're building up there! Anxious to see a video of it launching without the bow pointing north. Nice job!


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Paul,  I'd like to see more pic's of that boat also, just for curiosity,  like I said before, I'm not in the market for one now,  but I always like to see the condition of the other's out there. 

Have you seen the progress pic's of mine on the main forum,  if not, take a look over there ... http://olered.activeboard.com/

It's comong together, but there's still a lot of work to do befor it hit's the water again,  probably about 15 more days.



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Good to hear that, I know from what I've read that you are likely the foremost authority on Scimitars and I appreciate your opinion on this one. I figure I can wait four years and pay cash for one that's done or pick up a nice project now and pick away at it for a few years. Either way it's going to happen, so long as the job holds up through these rough financial waters. Tim said he would send me twenty or thirty detail photos of the project, I hope I can count on you for information from time to time while I decide whether or not to proceed. 

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Hi Paul,  that Scimitar in Montana is a good deal in my opinion, if I had the money I'd buy it myself,  I just can't afford another project now.  When I get done with the one's I have now I'll be looking for another Scimitar to rebuild.

I have the tops and winglets available here in Okc, and the gelcoat on that boat just needs a polyurethane clear coat on it to look good.  I figure the trailer should go with it for that price though, not another $1000 for it.

I have a few boats to finish up for other people that will take me all summer probably, but then I'll be in the market for another Scimitar,  I really like working on them when I'm now under any pressure to get done with one like I am mine now,  I just got 6 weeks before I leave with it for the show at Muscatine Iowa the 15th of may.



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Hi...   Yeah, I know what you mean. I drove many many miles for a rare snowmobile only to find one of the young fellas at work had one at his parents farm two hours away.

I spoke to Tim in Montana last night about his partially restored Scimitar. What do you know about it? He claims it's in real good shape but for the obvious (motor, gelcoat, upholstery... ) Says he had the stringers checked out before he bought it and that they were solid, the floor is good. Needs top's, hinges and windshield wiper. Everything else is there.

Your thoughts...

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Hi Paul,  good to see ya here,  you and I share the same introduction to a Scimitar,  in the mid 80's I done an anti-foulant bottom job on a Scimitar in Galvaston Tx.  I been lookin for one I could afford ever since,  it only took me about 23 years.

If you are pretty good at projects,   thats a good way to pick one up pretty cheap $4500 to $6000,  but even by doing most of the work yourself you will still end up with having about as much in it as you could buy a good lookin runner for.  Keep you're eye's open, one will show up that you just can't live with-out, and after you drive several days going to get it back home one will show up just around the corner,  story of my life.

Take Care ... stay in touch.

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Hello again...

    You asked how the weather was ????   I put my snowmobile away for the season Sunday because it was too damn hot to run it and we were loosing our snow at the rate of one foot per day. IT STARTED SNOWING HARD YESTERDAY AND IT'S STILL GOING!!!!! Must have a few feet of fresh snow and I can't get to my sled !!!!!
    I'm a little miffed at you guys and your Scimitars. Although I love the water, have a cottage on the water, raced sailboats for many years (not mine), I have always resisted getting into power boats because they were a bit too expensive. I have four vintage snowmobiles and two vintage motorcycles because they are inexpensive, easy to maintain and they are the coolest thing on the road or snow, period. So I was sorting through some old photos and found a few I snapped of a nice OMC 17 Deluxe. Neat boat I thought, so I looked it up on the internet and I came across you guy's and the Scimitars. INSTANT OBSESSION !!!!   
    I remember seeing a Scimitar about 25 years ago in the West Coast and fell head over heels in love with it, but reality set in, can't afford it, forget it. Well, I still can't afford it but doesn't mean I can't buy one. 
   I will learn everything there is to know about the Scimitar and have placed a time limit of four years to have one in the driveway. I have started to read everything on this forum and others and I hope to add my name to the registry before too long.
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Hi Paul, and Welcome to the Main Forum ...

Hows The Weather up there in eastern Canada ?

Check out the For Sale page, there are a couple Scimitars there for sale.  George's is in Oklahoma City, and Davids is in Oregon, then there is one in Montana (a project)   

I got to tell ya .. These are some Fun Boats.  They draw a LOT of attention every where we go with them.  I'll post a couple links to some video's of mine and George's for you to gaze at,  just click on the link and enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G9xtEcwHIA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-t5xTf0Zvs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYiE-1ZmNTI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxDvSYHDYkM



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( Copy and Paste,  from the Registry forum ) by OleRed

New to this, need to get feet wet.

Hello...   I'm writing this from frosty Eastern Canada. I live in a community twenty minutes away from the warmest salt water north of the Carolinas, Northumberland Straight between Prince Edward Island and New Brunswick. We enjoy really quite hot summers, mostly mid 80's with a week or two of 90 degrees plus. Boating season runs from June to late September.  I've been surrounded by boats all my life but never owned one. That will change between now and the next four years if all goes to plan. I want to purchase a Scimitar, no need to explain why , that's obvious. 
    If any of you could give me direction as to what model year to look for, what to expect, pros and cons, whatever information offered would be soundly appreciated. I'll be looking for a excellent condition turn key example.
Kindest regards...

Paul

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